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‘Focusing’ by Gendlin

Here are some thoughts on the book ‘Focusing’ by Gendlin.

For ages and ages there has been a debate about change and therapy. It runs roughly along these lines. I will present the extreme sides to make it clearer.

Side A. Cause/effect is a scam. The past is a red herring. All problems, all change is in the now. There is no ‘root cause’ and looking for it simply brings pain and anguish. It’s like trying to fix a broken bone by chasing after the attacker. Proponents of this position are CBT, REBT, NLP, Behaviorism, Solution Focused Therapy (also look into the philosopher Karl Popper).

Side B. If you don’t get the root, you’ll just have symptom removal and the issue will either come back or pop up elsewhere. It’s like putting a bandaid on a broken bone. In this camp lie the Freudians, Regression Hypnotists (the ones who think it’s ‘real’), The Inner Child People.

Now obviously the sides are more nuanced. But the debate falls roughly along those lines.

Now many people find that position B is more intuitive. We are used to cause effect in our lives (or at leas the illusion of it) and when we have a problem we can’t get rid of, we can tend to feel that it has a deep ‘root’ and ’cause’ and if we get to that, it will all be solved.

Many people who use CBT feel that although they don’t feel anxiety any more, it’s almost like they are covering over a deeper problem. That it’s a ‘fake’ ‘temporary’ fix. The CBT therapist will say that those thoughts are just thoughts and you can CBT them away as well!

At the same time the people in side A have a very good point. And that is, how can you prove it? How do you know that you need to get to the root? How do you know that all regression isn’t simply suggestion and metaphor?

In addition, Freud was woefully ineffective while CBT and it’s sister therapies have been verified to work quite well in randomized trials. While that doesn’t disprove Side B, it certainly doesn’t help them.

Gendlin is the first person I have found that bridges the gap. He talks about a knowing that we have that isn’t word thoughts. That isn’t logical, liner, and simple. He talks about the ‘felt sense’.

Imagine going on a trip. You’re on the plane, and you feel something bothering you. You know you forgot something, but you can’t remember what! Now, even thought you know that you can’t do anything about it, it still eats at you and gnaws at you.

And then you remember. AHA! You forgot the pocketwatch Uncle Jack asked you to bring to his brother. Now even though you can’t do anything, you feel a relief. A tangible ‘letting go’.

When your mind flags something as ‘important’ and it’s not addressed, it goes into the background felt sense as this uneasy feeling. The more critical the thing that you haven’t addressed, the more uneasy the feeling.

Now in the trip example, even if you never remember what it was, after a while you’ll stop thinking about it. It won’t quite bother you anymore (CBT). But it’s a very different solution than getting at what was bothering you. One takes time, is gradual, and doesn’t feel like a solution (the forgetting one). The other feels like AHA!.

What regression people and Freud try to do is get at the felt sense. Get to the hidden stuff to get that release. The CBT people say to just feel better and forget that.

Gendlin beautifully describes how that root is experienced in the moment in the therapy room. And so now, instead of Freud and regression being mere ideas, you have a tangible something to point at. The body sense.

He makes explicit what people have been trying to talk about for a long long long time.

To me, Gendlin is the synthesis between the two approaches. It’s something I have been looking for for a long long time. He gave me that AHA.

Get the book. Read it. Do the exercises. It will open you up.

Joe

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What is hypnosis Part 4, Trance and Hypnosis

Lets talk about trance and hypnosis now.

I mentioned earlier that sensory deprivation tanks help enhance imagination. I also theorized that this is the basis of dreaming (we are disociated from external reality much like in a sensory deprivation tank).

And it’s quite simple. The less external input someone has, the more they can respond to other input.

And so based on that, let’s give a very simple definition of hypnosis.

Hypnosis is when the subject checks out of other stimulus and checks in to the hypnotist.

And it’s not about conscious concentration… it’s about focus below the level of consciousness. All those automatic patterns and responsiveness, thats what we want focused and responsive to us.

There are a few ways of creating that. One obviously is when they respond to your suggestion. That creates a forward momentum of them checking in to you and checking out of other stuff.

Another way is by ‘deepening’. As a good subject once mentioned in an online discussion group, that can often creates a stronger and more absolute focus/fascination/responsiveness on the hypnotist.

Focus/fascination/absorption/responsiveness is a zero sum game. When two stimuli conflict (the physical heaviness of the arm vs the suggested lightness) one will win. The more we can dissociate the subject from external reality and stimuli, the more ‘space’ there is for the hypnotist to take over.

And so dissociation from external stimuli (trance) and association to the hypnotist (‘hypnotic’ trance) CREATES higher responsiveness to suggestion.

And thats why a lot of subjects get very still. Very not-smooth in their speech and behavior as well. All of those automatic and not-conscious response patterns are now dissociated to the normal external reality they usually respond to and are now responding to the hypnotist.

This is what the old time hypnotists called rapport. Responsiveness to the hypnotist to the detriment of other responsiveness.

And thats why emotion is so useful. When we are emotionally aroused, all of our responsiveness (the not-conscious patterns as well) become focused. And so it’s quite easy to hijack that focus and responsiveness and place it on the hypnotist.

Your thoughts?

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What is Hypnosis Part 3, James Tripp Responds

Here is a recent discussion James Tripp and I had via email.

James is a master hypnotist and changework artist. Go check out his work. It will be well worth your time and money.

What do you think?

James Tripp:

OK, I think we are on a similar page (maybe).

I would agree that state shifts are part of hypnosis… that state shifts must happen, otherwise NOTHING has happened! For me, hypnosis is the process of shifting/attenuating/amplifying ‘state’… although it is really the experienced reality that is my focus rather than the state.

I totally agree that that dissociation thing just isn’t it. If anything, ASSOCIATION is what is more important! How richly the subject associates into the experience.

I agree also that dreams are not a special thing – IMO they are our brain doing what it does all day long, shaping our experience. When we ‘dream’ the external data-feed is switched off so we can spin out more creatively. In hypnosis the external data-feed is not always switched off, but we do get to influence what data is paid attention to, and also how it is interpreted. We can utilise it and make it part of a new experience of reality. So state shifts as attention shifts.

Al the very best

James

My response:

Perfect.

It’s dissociation from one stimulus and association into another. Responsiveness is a zero sum game.

The thing is that dissociation from external experience (while maintaining awareness) IS a special state (measurable on a brain scan) sometimes. It’s called REM and hypnogogia.

And so it’s entirely possible that using suggestion and relaxation we can is some cases put someone into that measurable state. Hence they tune out unimportant external stimulus (anything but the hypnotist), and the hypnotist becomes their reality.

You (James) do it primarily by increasing association to the hypnotist. As a side effect they dissociate from external things. Awareness is a zero sum game. Jon (Chase) however goes the other way. He dissociates them from external things. Then there is the space for the hypnotist to be reality.

As REM is a special state, Jon sees this level of dissociation from external reality to also be a special state. A bit ‘lighter’ then sleep, but quite close. As Elman says.

And so realize that relaxation helps you! It dissociates them from external stuff and therefore they can associate into you the hypnotist. Thats also the idea of ‘deeper deeper’. It means ‘deeper inside and away from regular external existence’. That creates space for the hypnotist.

And so we’re all one happy family!

Joe

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What is Hypnosis Part 2, De-constructing Heap

Michael Heap has written a wonderful article on hypnosis. You can find it here.

I think that it’s a wonderful article. Heap comes very very close to understanding hypnosis.

In light of my recent understandings I’ll now show where he’s wrong.

Read the Heap article first. Without it you won’t quite understand what I’m talking about here.

Enjoy.

Heap talks about the importance of automaticity. And thats great. However he struggles to understand how that automaticity is created. Here is a quote

“There appears to be a consensus amongst academic psychologists who study hypnosis that any theory of hypnosis must account for the subjective experiences of involuntariness and realism that the suggestible subject finds so powerful.

One line of approach that is now popular is to consider that when responding to suggestion, the highly suggestible person is able to exclude from conscious awareness elements of the experience that would normally be available to consciousness. For example, when I raise my arm I am conscious of my arm lifting up and my intention to lift my arm. If however I am able to exclude from conscious representation my intention to lift my arm, it will seem to me that my arm is “lifting on its own”, i.e. involuntarily.

Similarly, if I am given the suggestion that my best friend is standing in front of me, I may make the effort to imagine him, to think of his voice, to imagine my feelings on seeing him, and so on. If I can remove from consciousness awareness the effort and intention that I make in creating this experience, then it will seem more like my friend is really there. To develop these ideas we can and indeed must – use models and theories from mainstream cognitive psychology and neuroscience.”

So Heaps solution to automaticity is the exclusion from awareness that I am choosing to do the act.

I find this absurd.

Classic conditioning has long ago proven that we can condition a reflex. And so if I hit your knee with a hammer a few times and at the same time I ring a bell, and then I only ring the bell, it will automatically and involuntarily twitch (Twitmyer, E. B. (1905). Knee jerks without simulation of the patellar tendon. Psychological Bulletin, 2, 43.)! In that case you don’t postulate that the person has decided to twitch the knee but has excluded that knowledge from awareness. Salter (1941) talks about using classical conditioning to condition pupil dilation. Would Heap argue that this is also voluntary but excluded from conscious awareness?!

And so once we have shown true automaticity, let me give you another example. One which Heap brings earlier in the paper.

The lemon test. If you imagine a lemon vividly enough you start to salivate.

I once again ask, is the secretion of saliva a voluntary act which you excluding from conscious awareness?!

Now of course you voluntarily imagined the lemon which then led to the saliva, but the saliva itself is involuntary. Salivating is something you can’t do it voluntarily and on command!

And so we have proven a key key point. And that is “If I imagine a context for which there is an appropriate response, that response will involuntarily be elicited”. And so you can’t vividly imagine the lemon without salivating. And therefore, so long as you imagine the lemon, the saliva is involuntary.

With that in mind, explaining an arm lift that happens without effort is rather simple. So long as you imagine a context in which that response is appropriate (helium balloons), the arm will respond with true automaticity.

Now lets take it further. Let’s say you imagine a context in which every response happens. Like the idea that the hypnotists is in full control. In that case, so long as you continued to imagine that, then responding to the hypnotist would be genuine, automatic, and involuntary. The only solution you would have would be to stop imagining that the hypnotist was in control.

And so here is the final step. Lets say you imagined that the hypnotist is in control, and you also imagined that you have no control over any of your imagining. In that case, there would be an automatic response of being unable to stop imagining this reality! And so you are genuinely and truly stuck! We have closed the door or stopping to imagine via imagination! We have closed the loop!

THAT is what hypnosis is. True honest automaticity.

Lets move on in Heaps words.

“Let me now describe three experiments and challenge you to think about the possible explanations in terms similar to those I have just described.

Hypnotically suggestible subjects when given the suggestion that they cannot see a chair in front of them may report convincingly that they cannot see anything. Yet when asked to walk across to the other side of the room they walk around the chair. People who are told that they must only ‘pretend to be hypnotised’ usually bump into the chair (Orne, 1962).

Secondly we suggest to some very suggestible subjects that they can no longer hear their own voices. In the case of those who respond to this suggestion we then ask them to speak into a microphone that is connected to an amplifier and a pair of headphones that the subject wears. The amplifier causes a delay of say half a second in the subject’s speech that he hears through the headphones. This is called ‘delayed auditory feedback’ and it is very difficult for people to speak coherently when at the same time they are hearing their voices delayed for a fraction of a second

What happens to those subjects who insist that they cannot hear their voice? With delayed auditory feedback their speech is disrupted as under normal conditions (Barber & Calverley, 1964)!

Finally, subjects learn a list of words and are then told that they cannot remember any of these words until a signal is given. Some very suggestible subjects may report complete or almost complete amnesia for the words. However they still show a characteristic electroencephalographic response when presented with words that appeared on the list Allen, Iacono, Laravuso, & Dunn, 1995; Schnyer & Allen, 1995) and this material still interferes with the subjects’ recall of another list of words that was not included in the amnesia suggestion (Coe, Basden, Basden & Graham, 1976).

Some people think that the results of these experiments indicate that these very suggestible subjects are simply pretending. With no other evidence this is the best explanation. However, the further evidence that has accumulated has led most researchers to reject this explanation, although it is still entirely possible that some subjects may be pretending.

What seems to be happening in each of these experiments is that very suggestible subjects have the ability to exclude from consciousness awareness the explicit representation of the stimulus – hearing their voice, seeing the chair, or recalling the list of words. However, these stimuli are still implicitly registered in their behaviour and thinking in the usual way – their speech is affected by delayed auditory feedback, they avoid bumping into the chair, and the ‘forgotten’ material still interferes with new learning. This is a plausible way of understanding what is happening.”

Powerful stuff!

But there is a solution…

Here it is.

In every example he gives a suggestion presupposes awareness that contradicts the suggestion itself. If you tell me not to see a specific chair, then at some level I need to be aware of the chair in order not to see it! If I wasn’t aware of the chair at all, then how would I know what not to see? It’s like most of my clients who want their problem gone. But so long as that is their goal, they presuppose having the problem for eternity! You can’t know something is gone unless it exists at a minimum as an idea.

The same is true in the other 2 examples. In order for the subjects mind to process the suggestion, it has to be aware of what it’s supposed to be unaware of. Hence the ‘hidden observer’. The suggestion itself builds in that hidden observer!!

Here is how to really test it. Suggest that a subject is completely blind. Then see what happens.

Salter (1941 “What is Hypnosis”) talks about suggesting deafness and then firing a gun next to the subjects ear. The subject didn’t flinch.

Now if I’m correct (as the lemon test proves without doubt), that means we simply need to imagine a context vividly and the resulting response will be a hypnotic one.

This depends on 2 things.
1. A subject with a good imagination.
2. A hypnotist who gives good suggestions. Most hypnotists say ‘your arm is stuck’. Thats a bad suggestion (unless the subject has responded to that type of suggestion already). In that suggestion you hope the subject imagines your command to be true and therefore you get the result.
A good suggestion is one where you tell the subject to imagine the context “Imagine I’m in control of your reality”, and then ‘closes the door’ via imagination “imagine you are unable to control your imaginings, even this one”.

The rest is simple. The more we are dissociated from external reality, the better we imagine. As in a sensory deprivation tank, as in REM sleep. In hypnosis the subject is dissociated from external reality and very strongly associated to the reality of the hypnotist creating reality. Hence the zombie look you often see. It’s dissociation from external reality (excluding the hypnotist and what he suggests). And so an as I proved in Part 1.

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Covert Text Hypnosis

Here is a beautiful example of a covert arm levitation via IM. The subject new he was being hypnotized, but did not know that I was making his arm lift. When I revealed that to him, he was blown away.

There’s a lot of therapeutic stuff here as well, so read it carefully and get what you can out of it.

Enjoy and Share,

Joe

[4:06:37 PM] craig galvin: u ever been hypnotised
[4:06:59 PM] Jake: In a sense, yes?
[4:07:03 PM] craig galvin: formally
[4:07:06 PM] craig galvin: with an induction
[4:07:10 PM] craig galvin: not just day to day stuff
[4:07:37 PM] Jake: Joe tried to zap me, but I “refused to let him speak to my unconscious” over skype.
[4:07:56 PM] craig galvin: i believe consciously they will expect something, BUT, the minute u fire their imagination and get something happening, it then responds at an unconscious level,.
[4:08:06 PM] craig galvin: why did u refuse
[4:08:34 PM] Jake: Because, I didn’t believe it would work and I kinda’ got a bit aggravated over the whole “unconscious stuff”.
[4:09:04 PM] craig galvin: so, ok
[4:09:10 PM] craig galvin: you didnt believe it would work
[4:09:12 PM] Jake: In my mind I was just like, “Zap me already”, stop with all the conscious/unconscious stuff”.
[4:09:16 PM] craig galvin: yet you are studying the field of hypnosis
[4:09:18 PM] craig galvin: correct
[4:09:34 PM] Jake: Correct.
[4:09:45 PM] Jake: I’m building my beliefs with what will work.
[4:09:47 PM] craig galvin: ok so does it matter, whether its face to face,
[4:09:51 PM] craig galvin: online
[4:09:52 PM] craig galvin: or in a shop
[4:10:12 PM] Jake: Not really, as long as I am receptive to his suggestion.
[4:10:18 PM] craig galvin: ok, so
[4:10:33 PM] craig galvin: you are studying it, and as long as u r receptive to his suggestion or anyones,
[4:10:36 PM] craig galvin: u would agree to do it
[4:10:39 PM] craig galvin: correct?
[4:10:46 PM] Jake: Probably.
[4:11:01 PM] Jake: I’m willing to believe that I’m cool when someone tells me that I am.
[4:11:04 PM] craig galvin: ok, so how about if the suggestion was just to let u experience what it feels like
[4:11:11 PM] craig galvin: because that benefits you how?
[4:11:15 PM] Jake: So, why not other things such as I feel relaxed when they suggest to me I am.
[4:11:39 PM] craig galvin: ok jake let me ask you one question
[4:11:46 PM] Jake: Shoot.
[4:11:51 PM] craig galvin: and its not meant to be personal or a dig in any way
[4:11:54 PM] craig galvin: ok let me clear that up first
[4:12:01 PM] Jake: No offense will be taken.
[4:12:04 PM] craig galvin: cool
[4:12:17 PM] craig galvin: you said
[4:12:27 PM] craig galvin: you are building a belief with what you believe will work
[4:12:28 PM] craig galvin: yes
[4:12:35 PM] Jake: Yes.
[4:12:38 PM] craig galvin: ok cool
[4:12:50 PM] craig galvin: so how do u know it may not work, if u r only just starting to study it?
[4:12:55 PM] craig galvin: isnt that a limiting belief,
[4:12:57 PM] craig galvin: ?
[4:13:16 PM] Jake: I suppose that is the path to understanding.
[4:13:26 PM] craig galvin: so if u were to limit urself
[4:13:26 PM] Jake: I ask questions because I am ignorant.
[4:13:37 PM] craig galvin: either knowingly or unknowingly
[4:13:45 PM] craig galvin: on some level
[4:13:52 PM] Jake: Mhmm.
[4:13:56 PM] craig galvin: would u want to open that door and see what is behind it?
[4:14:02 PM] craig galvin: to expand that knowledge?
[4:14:16 PM] Jake: I say that I do.
[4:14:26 PM] craig galvin: so you say that you do
[4:14:27 PM] craig galvin: ok
[4:14:29 PM] craig galvin: so what
[4:14:31 PM] craig galvin: if anything
[4:14:36 PM] craig galvin: if u were to imagine something that would say
[4:14:41 PM] craig galvin: YES this is what i need to do this
[4:14:49 PM] craig galvin: what would come to mind now?
[4:14:53 PM] craig galvin: anything
[4:15:10 PM] Jake: Do it, try it, repeat it.
[4:15:33 PM] Jake: If it doesn’t work, ask people who might know the cause of such.
[4:15:50 PM] Jake: Try it again, after trouble shooting.
[4:16:08 PM] Jake: Then develop it in a manner that might work.
[4:16:19 PM] Jake: Well, at least I would, if I knew how, of course
[4:16:22 PM] Jake: course*
[4:16:33 PM] craig galvin: ok cool
[4:16:37 PM] craig galvin: so do it
[4:16:38 PM] craig galvin: try it
[4:16:40 PM] craig galvin: repeat it
[4:16:44 PM] craig galvin: ask questions
[4:16:45 PM] craig galvin: trouble shoot
[4:16:49 PM] craig galvin: all makes for a good base
[4:17:07 PM] craig galvin: so in saying all that
[4:17:12 PM] craig galvin: what stops u from doing it on here?
[4:17:23 PM] Jake: I think, mainly, that hypnosis has just set me into a existential crisis.
[4:18:17 PM] Jake: I might have resisted because I want to be right and not to be proven wrong, in a sense.
[4:18:36 PM] craig galvin: ah ok,
[4:18:51 PM] craig galvin: so you want to not be proven wrong
[4:18:58 PM] craig galvin: and what would that wrong be like if it were to happen
[4:19:05 PM] craig galvin: how do u think that would feel
[4:19:18 PM] Jake: Defeated, yet enlightened.
[4:19:32 PM] Jake: Like a brand new beginning after a long journey.
[4:20:15 PM] craig galvin: i see because
[4:20:22 PM] Jake: Elrond: “Frodo bring the ring to Mordor, now.”
Frodo: “MORDOR!?! FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFU-!!!!”
[4:20:22 PM] craig galvin: we all take journeys
[4:20:31 PM] craig galvin: ones which are long ones which are short
[4:20:52 PM] craig galvin: but if we choose to deny what we are being told and go on a base of knowledge which at the moment isnt correct or incorrect
[4:20:59 PM] craig galvin: just indifferent, we stay in the same place
[4:21:05 PM] Joe K Fobes: Jake
[4:21:07 PM] Jake: This is true.
[4:21:10 PM] Jake: Hey.
[4:21:15 PM] Joe K Fobes: Step into the defeated
[4:21:20 PM] Joe K Fobes: deep inside that sense
[4:21:20 PM] craig galvin: ah the master has returned
[4:21:24 PM] Joe K Fobes: lol
[4:21:28 PM] Joe K Fobes: I like that defeated
[4:21:34 PM] Jake: I want to.
[4:21:36 PM] Joe K Fobes: step into it
[4:21:41 PM] Joe K Fobes: be there now
[4:21:49 PM] Joe K Fobes: as if you had been proven utterly wrong
[4:21:56 PM] Joe K Fobes: imagine that this has happened
[4:21:59 PM] Jake: Mmmk.
[4:22:07 PM] Joe K Fobes: that you truly believed youre dead wrong
[4:22:09 PM] Joe K Fobes: proven
[4:22:11 PM] Joe K Fobes: no doubt
[4:22:18 PM] Joe K Fobes: how do you feel now
[4:22:23 PM] Jake: Horrible.
[4:22:25 PM] Joe K Fobes: awesome
[4:22:31 PM] Joe K Fobes: now go deeper into that horrible
[4:22:39 PM] Joe K Fobes: all the frickin way inside
[4:22:44 PM] Joe K Fobes: until
[4:22:48 PM] Joe K Fobes: it cant get any worse
[4:22:55 PM] Jake: May I cry?
[4:23:00 PM] Joe K Fobes: hell yes
[4:23:04 PM] Joe K Fobes: let go
[4:23:06 PM] Joe K Fobes: utterly
[4:23:08 PM] Jake: alright
[4:23:11 PM] Joe K Fobes: go all the way inside
[4:23:15 PM] Joe K Fobes: till you cant go any further
[4:23:17 PM] Joe K Fobes: and now shut up
[4:23:30 PM] Joe K Fobes: shut that voice up
[4:23:32 PM] Joe K Fobes: the inside one
[4:23:35 PM] Joe K Fobes: stop all the words
[4:23:48 PM] Joe K Fobes: and feel the feeling
[4:23:50 PM] Joe K Fobes: horrible
[4:23:55 PM] Joe K Fobes: nothing to protect you
[4:23:59 PM] Joe K Fobes: just you and the feeling
[4:24:04 PM] Joe K Fobes: and do nothing
[4:24:07 PM] Joe K Fobes: just experience it
[4:24:13 PM] Joe K Fobes: in every single cell of your body
[4:24:15 PM] Jake: i dont want to.
[4:24:29 PM] Joe K Fobes: do you trust me?
[4:24:33 PM] Jake: yes.
[4:24:35 PM] Joe K Fobes: good
[4:24:37 PM] Joe K Fobes: I swear
[4:24:41 PM] Joe K Fobes: this will be good
[4:24:45 PM] Jake: alright.
[4:24:48 PM] Joe K Fobes: now go
[4:24:53 PM] Joe K Fobes: no barriers
[4:24:57 PM] Joe K Fobes: no stopping
[4:24:58 PM] Joe K Fobes: go inside
[4:25:00 PM] Joe K Fobes: all the way
[4:25:04 PM] Joe K Fobes: and so nothing in there
[4:25:08 PM] Joe K Fobes: just exist
[4:25:11 PM] Joe K Fobes: you and the feeling
[4:25:14 PM] Joe K Fobes: noting else
[4:25:21 PM] Joe K Fobes: no silly words to help you
[4:25:25 PM] Joe K Fobes: no running away
[4:25:29 PM] Joe K Fobes: and sit there
[4:25:32 PM] Joe K Fobes: and try to make it worse
[4:25:37 PM] Joe K Fobes: try to double it
[4:25:47 PM] Joe K Fobes: and can it get worse? or is it the worst possible?
[4:26:07 PM] Jake: it can get worse
[4:26:09 PM] Joe K Fobes: good
[4:26:12 PM] Joe K Fobes: make it worse
[4:26:18 PM] Joe K Fobes: until its as bad as it can be
[4:26:28 PM] Joe K Fobes: because this is going to open you up
[4:26:33 PM] Joe K Fobes: now do it
[4:26:39 PM] Joe K Fobes: and say ‘worst’ when its there
[4:26:53 PM] Jake: worst
[4:26:55 PM] Joe K Fobes: perfect\
[4:27:00 PM] Joe K Fobes: and can it get any worse?
[4:27:04 PM] Jake: no
[4:27:06 PM] Joe K Fobes: good
[4:27:10 PM] Joe K Fobes: and now sit there
[4:27:13 PM] Joe K Fobes: feeling this feeling
[4:27:19 PM] Joe K Fobes: the worst you can feel
[4:27:23 PM] Joe K Fobes: the thing you have dreaded
[4:27:27 PM] Joe K Fobes: all this time
[4:27:32 PM] Joe K Fobes: the fear you have had of this
[4:27:36 PM] Joe K Fobes: how you built it up in your mind
[4:27:45 PM] Joe K Fobes: and notice how its a sensation
[4:27:50 PM] Joe K Fobes: you still exist
[4:27:53 PM] Joe K Fobes: youre still alive
[4:28:00 PM] Joe K Fobes: this feeling isnt you
[4:28:03 PM] Joe K Fobes: you are you
[4:28:06 PM] Joe K Fobes: and this feeling is this feeling
[4:28:16 PM] Joe K Fobes: and as you realize that
[4:28:22 PM] Joe K Fobes: realize how easily
[4:28:25 PM] Joe K Fobes: it can drift away
[4:28:33 PM] Joe K Fobes: like a cloud on a windy day
[4:28:40 PM] Joe K Fobes: or butter melting in the hot sun
[4:28:50 PM] Joe K Fobes: the moment you notice the sensation
[4:28:55 PM] Joe K Fobes: of your hands
[4:29:02 PM] Joe K Fobes: the temperature of the air in the room
[4:29:05 PM] Joe K Fobes: this feeling
[4:29:09 PM] Joe K Fobes: begins to float away
[4:29:14 PM] Joe K Fobes: and youre still alive
[4:29:20 PM] Joe K Fobes: and how the worst
[4:29:22 PM] Joe K Fobes: is just a feeling
[4:29:27 PM] Joe K Fobes: that your body creates
[4:29:34 PM] Joe K Fobes: it feels real
[4:29:37 PM] Joe K Fobes: looks real
[4:29:39 PM] Joe K Fobes: sounds real
[4:29:45 PM] Joe K Fobes: and its a feeling
[4:29:54 PM] Joe K Fobes: and take that deep breath
[4:30:01 PM | Edited 4:30:09 PM] Joe K Fobes: and feel that wonderful body of yours
[4:30:12 PM] Joe K Fobes: get that shift
[4:30:15 PM] Joe K Fobes: inside
[4:30:17 PM] Joe K Fobes: deeply
[4:30:21 PM] Joe K Fobes: and what are you feeling now
[4:30:45 PM] Joe K Fobes: as that feeling finally washes away
[4:30:49 PM] Joe K Fobes: washing out of you
[4:30:56 PM] Joe K Fobes: totally and completely
[4:31:00 PM] Joe K Fobes: you have met the worst
[4:31:04 PM] Joe K Fobes: and youre still here
[4:31:11 PM] Joe K Fobes: and how are you feeling at this moment
[4:31:13 PM] Joe K Fobes: ?
[4:31:32 PM] Jake: Relieved, glad, and calm.
[4:31:35 PM] Joe K Fobes: indeed
[4:31:37 PM] Joe K Fobes: now
[4:31:38 PM] Jake: Hopeful.
[4:31:45 PM] Joe K Fobes: think about being proven wrong
[4:31:51 PM] Joe K Fobes: and how does that feel?
[4:32:14 PM] Jake: Not bad.
[4:32:26 PM] Joe K Fobes: not bad
[4:32:26 PM] Jake: Just another feeling.
[4:32:37 PM] Joe K Fobes: does it bother you at all?
[4:32:48 PM] Jake: No, not at this moment.
[4:33:06 PM] Joe K Fobes: not at this moment
[4:33:09 PM] Joe K Fobes: interesting
[4:33:15 PM] Joe K Fobes: you know
[4:33:18 PM] Joe K Fobes: isnt it weird
[4:33:22 PM] Joe K Fobes: how we feel all this fear
[4:33:26 PM] Joe K Fobes: of stuff
[4:33:27 PM] Joe K Fobes: and then
[4:33:30 PM] Joe K Fobes: it happens
[4:33:31 PM] Joe K Fobes: we do it
[4:33:34 PM] Joe K Fobes: and its like
[4:33:43 PM] Joe K Fobes: ‘that wasnt that bad after all…’
[4:33:49 PM] Joe K Fobes: ever had that type of experience?
[4:33:55 PM] Joe K Fobes: I had it once
[4:33:56 PM] Jake: Yes.
[4:34:04 PM] Joe K Fobes: jumping off a cliff into a river…
[4:34:08 PM] Joe K Fobes: and where did you have it?
[4:36:25 PM] Jake: When I was in middle school, I was mean. A horrible bully because I didn’t want to open up to people. I didn’t really care if they liked me or not or if I was wrong or right.

But, this girl was in trouble with a couple other bullies. She was crying, so I thought about what I’ve been doing.
[4:36:44 PM] Joe K Fobes: mhmm
[4:36:46 PM] Jake: If any of it was really worth it.
[4:36:54 PM] Jake: Not opening up to people, not caring.
[4:37:06 PM] Jake: It was so easy, not to do something.
[4:37:37 PM] Jake: I wanted to be more, but I was stuck in this stasis of meanness.
[4:37:55 PM] Jake: My shell made of fear.
[4:38:01 PM] Joe K Fobes: mhmm
[4:38:06 PM] Jake: I don’t know, I decided to help her.
[4:38:07 PM] Joe K Fobes: and then what happened
[4:38:30 PM] Jake: I guess because I knew I couldn’t keep this barrier up all the time.
[4:38:44 PM] Jake: Eventually I would have to answer to my evils.
[4:38:53 PM] Jake: So I broke it down, I decided to help.
[4:39:01 PM] Jake: Because she needed help.
[4:39:12 PM] Joe K Fobes: and then what happened
[4:39:49 PM] Jake: She knew me as someone who was horrible.
[4:40:16 PM] Jake: So she didn’t thank me, but just nodded and walked away.
[4:40:34 PM] Joe K Fobes: mhmm
[4:40:37 PM] Jake: I felt crushed. I finally did something good, but no thanks was given.
[4:40:48 PM] Jake: And that night I didn’t go to bed.
[4:41:11 PM] Jake: I could only think, “What was the point if I wasn’t going to get thanked?”
[4:41:44 PM] Jake: And I thought about it all that week.
[4:41:57 PM] Jake: And I realized, I didn’t really like being mean.
[4:42:01 PM] Jake: I just liked hiding.
[4:42:13 PM] Jake: So I decided, I don’t have to be mean.
[4:42:21 PM] Jake: I can be good and still hide.
[4:42:52 PM] Jake: So, I started being more passive, yet more responsive to other peoples needs.
[4:44:21 PM | Edited 4:44:36 PM] Jake: “I don’t need people’s thanks for being good.”
[4:44:55 PM] Jake: And I sure as hell didn’t want to be mean anymore.
[4:45:01 PM] Joe K Fobes: mhmm\
[4:45:05 PM] Jake: It was hard though.
[4:45:15 PM] Joe K Fobes: and so when was that moment
[4:45:15 PM] Jake: You construct a image for so long.
[4:45:19 PM] Joe K Fobes: when it all clicked
[4:45:27 PM] Joe K Fobes: and you couldnt go back to the old way
[4:45:31 PM] Jake: Making that wall so tough — like steel.
[4:45:34 PM] Joe K Fobes: no matter how hard you could try
[4:45:46 PM] Jake: But, I tore it down.
[4:45:50 PM] Jake: Bit, by bit.
[4:46:02 PM] Jake: And now, it is like a junkyard.
[4:46:16 PM] Joe K Fobes: and its interesting
[4:46:22 PM] Jake: Desolate, with no life.
[4:46:24 PM] Joe K Fobes: junkyards are places
[4:46:27 PM] Joe K Fobes: desolate
[4:46:30 PM] Joe K Fobes: no life
[4:46:37 PM] Joe K Fobes: the soil rich with nutrients
[4:46:42 PM] Joe K Fobes: a perfect place
[4:46:46 PM] Joe K Fobes: to grow something new
[4:46:49 PM] Joe K Fobes: beautiful
[4:46:59 PM] Joe K Fobes: peaceful
[4:47:02 PM] Joe K Fobes: a place to learn
[4:47:04 PM] Joe K Fobes: and be
[4:47:09 PM] Joe K Fobes: where youre safe
[4:47:13 PM] Joe K Fobes: where you can be you
[4:47:13 PM] Jake: It’s a place to reflect.
[4:47:17 PM] Joe K Fobes: and reflect
[4:47:22 PM] Joe K Fobes: and allow your unconscious
[4:47:27 PM] Joe K Fobes: youre neural network
[4:47:29 PM] Joe K Fobes: to process
[4:47:31 PM] Joe K Fobes: all that
[4:47:35 PM] Joe K Fobes: under the surface
[4:47:36 PM] Jake: Mmmhmm.
[4:47:41 PM] Joe K Fobes: and come to that peace
[4:47:44 PM] Joe K Fobes: deeply inside now
[4:47:51 PM] Joe K Fobes: and as those old memories
[4:47:53 PM] Joe K Fobes: emotions
[4:47:55 PM] Joe K Fobes: feelings
[4:47:58 PM] Joe K Fobes: pass by
[4:48:01 PM] Joe K Fobes: in a single file
[4:48:06 PM] Joe K Fobes: like so many willing servants
[4:48:11 PM] Joe K Fobes: and each one
[4:48:12 PM] Joe K Fobes: carries
[4:48:14 PM] Joe K Fobes: a lesson
[4:48:23 PM] Joe K Fobes: and as you learn the lesson
[4:48:26 PM] Joe K Fobes: from each servant
[4:48:31 PM] Joe K Fobes: his mission is done
[4:48:39 PM] Joe K Fobes: and he goes to a place of peace
[4:48:47 PM] Joe K Fobes: waiting for you to call on his strength
[4:48:51 PM] Joe K Fobes: for what you want
[4:48:58 PM] Joe K Fobes: and each of them
[4:48:59 PM] Joe K Fobes: teaching you
[4:49:03 PM] Joe K Fobes: in this lovely
[4:49:06 PM] Joe K Fobes: peaceful way
[4:49:08 PM] Joe K Fobes: every single
[4:49:12 PM] Joe K Fobes: memory
[4:49:13 PM] Joe K Fobes: emotion
[4:49:15 PM] Joe K Fobes: feeling
[4:49:16 PM] Joe K Fobes: thought
[4:49:19 PM] Joe K Fobes: teaching
[4:49:22 PM] Joe K Fobes: and moving on
[4:49:23 PM] Joe K Fobes: passing on
[4:49:30 PM] Joe K Fobes: deep things
[4:49:35 PM] Joe K Fobes: as you feel lighter
[4:49:38 PM] Joe K Fobes: lighter
[4:49:41 PM] Joe K Fobes: arming yourself
[4:49:45 PM] Joe K Fobes: with power
[4:49:50 PM] Joe K Fobes: a peaceful arming
[4:49:55 PM] Joe K Fobes: of lifting power
[4:49:58 PM] Joe K Fobes: which you knows
[4:50:04 PM] Joe K Fobes: will help you lift yourself
[4:50:08 PM] Joe K Fobes: almost without realizing
[4:50:14 PM] Joe K Fobes: just when the right
[4:50:22 PM] Joe K Fobes: arming yourself
[4:50:30 PM] Joe K Fobes: with the sense of lifting
[4:50:34 PM] Joe K Fobes: inside and out
[4:50:38 PM] Joe K Fobes: upwards
[4:50:42 PM] Joe K Fobes: and upwards
[4:50:47 PM] Joe K Fobes: waaay up in the air
[4:50:54 PM] Joe K Fobes: rising and lifting
[4:50:56 PM] Joe K Fobes: to that place
[4:51:01 PM] Joe K Fobes: where peace knows
[4:51:07 PM] Joe K Fobes: almost like a magnet
[4:51:11 PM] Joe K Fobes: tugging and pulling
[4:51:16 PM] Joe K Fobes: right upwards
[4:51:17 PM] Joe K Fobes: now
[4:51:22 PM] Joe K Fobes: and allow your unconscious
[4:51:27 PM] Joe K Fobes: to process what it needs to process
[4:51:30 PM] Joe K Fobes: and do what it needs to do
[4:51:38 PM] Joe K Fobes: and when you notice whats happening
[4:51:41 PM] Joe K Fobes: simply watch
[4:51:44 PM] Joe K Fobes: in amazement
[4:51:47 PM] Joe K Fobes: as that happens now
[4:51:51 PM] Joe K Fobes: and feel wonderful
[4:51:58 PM] Joe K Fobes: until it has learned its lesson to you
[4:52:02 PM] Joe K Fobes: and you drop down inside
[4:52:07 PM] Joe K Fobes: to that place of peace
[4:52:16 PM] Joe K Fobes: and when that happens you can come back
[4:52:26 PM] Joe K Fobes: by typing the word
[4:52:29 PM] Joe K Fobes: ‘peace’
[4:52:36 PM] Joe K Fobes: taking all the time you need
[4:52:38 PM] Joe K Fobes: inside
[4:54:02 PM] Jake: peace.
[4:54:05 PM] Joe K Fobes: welcome back
[4:54:15 PM] Joe K Fobes: and describe what was the most interesting about that 🙂
[4:54:30 PM] Jake: My arms, started floating.
[4:54:34 PM] Joe K Fobes: no way
[4:54:39 PM] Joe K Fobes: by themselves?!
[4:54:48 PM] Joe K Fobes: Oh lord
[4:54:54 PM] craig galvin: lol
[4:54:55 PM] Joe K Fobes: I must have mistakenly hypnotized you
[4:55:02 PM] craig galvin: ooops
[4:55:02 PM] Joe K Fobes: but but but
[4:55:09 PM] Joe K Fobes: you cant be hypnotized!
[4:55:11 PM] Jake: Yes, when you said, “as you feel lighter

lighter

arming yourself

with power

a peaceful arming

of lifting power

which you knows

will help you lift yourself

almost without realizing

just when the right

arming yourself

with the sense of lifting

inside and out

upwards

and upwards

waaay up in the air

rising and lifting

to that place

where peace knows

almost like a magnet

tugging and pulling

right upwards”
[4:55:23 PM] Jake: They started moving upwards.
[4:55:25 PM] Joe K Fobes: so interesting
[4:55:34 PM] Jake: And I felt very very very calm, peaceful, good.
[4:55:40 PM] Joe K Fobes: and did you know
[4:55:44 PM] Jake: I didn’t want it to stop so I just let them rise.
[4:55:59 PM] Joe K Fobes: and you didnt want that moment of being wrong to stop
[4:56:04 PM] Joe K Fobes: and it was peace
[4:56:06 PM] Joe K Fobes: calm
[4:56:07 PM] Joe K Fobes: good
[4:56:15 PM] Jake: Yes!
[4:56:15 PM] Joe K Fobes: and one can enjoy
[4:56:19 PM] Joe K Fobes: being wrong
[4:56:20 PM] Jake: That’s exactly it.
[4:56:28 PM] Joe K Fobes: interesting
[4:56:32 PM] craig galvin: funny that, i wonder if u noticed the work that set u up for that jake lol
[4:56:37 PM] Joe K Fobes: I wonder what all this means
[4:56:37 PM] Jake: It was fluffy, sweet, and slightly tangy.
[4:56:50 PM] Joe K Fobes: I never knew horrible could be that wonderful 🙂
[4:57:19 PM] Jake: Frothing in a effable bed of wisdom.
[4:57:32 PM] Joe K Fobes: So what does this all mean?
[4:57:51 PM] Jake: I don’t have to be afraid of being wrong.
[4:57:59 PM] Jake: It can be wonderful.
[4:58:17 PM] Jake: I don’t have to clench onto things like that anymore.
[4:58:20 PM] Joe K Fobes: wow
[4:58:26 PM] Joe K Fobes: and what does that mean?
[4:59:08 PM] Jake: I can learn as much as I want without holding onto unnecessary feelings.
[4:59:14 PM] Joe K Fobes: wow
[4:59:18 PM] Joe K Fobes: and that
[4:59:24 PM] Joe K Fobes: you can learn as much as you want
[4:59:30 PM] Jake: Because, I can feel these wonderful things.
[4:59:36 PM] Joe K Fobes: without holding onto unnecessary feelings
[4:59:38 PM] Jake: Me, myself, I.
[4:59:46 PM] Joe K Fobes: and you can feel these wonderful feelings
[4:59:55 PM] Joe K Fobes: what does that mean?
[5:00:01 PM] Jake: I have the wish to do it, I can.
[5:00:16 PM] Joe K Fobes: wow
[5:00:29 PM] Joe K Fobes: and do you want to go a bit further here Jake?
[5:00:36 PM] Jake: Yes, please.
[5:00:59 PM] Joe K Fobes: so if you have the wish to do it you can
[5:01:01 PM] Joe K Fobes: what
[5:01:05 PM] Joe K Fobes: does that mean…
[5:02:41 PM] Jake: I am independent, I don’t have to wait for someone to make me feel good.
[5:03:40 PM] Joe K Fobes: wow
[5:03:49 PM] Joe K Fobes: and one last one
[5:03:54 PM] Joe K Fobes: and go all the way this time
[5:04:05 PM] Joe K Fobes: really really get ready to see the ultimate truth now
[5:04:09 PM] Joe K Fobes: and are you ready?
[5:04:14 PM] Jake: Yes.
[5:04:41 PM] Joe K Fobes: ok
[5:04:43 PM] Joe K Fobes: so really now
[5:04:50 PM] Joe K Fobes: taking all these deep truths
[5:04:53 PM] Joe K Fobes: go all the way up
[5:04:57 PM] Joe K Fobes: looking down
[5:05:03 PM] Joe K Fobes: and see the ultimate truth
[5:05:05 PM] Joe K Fobes: about you
[5:05:14 PM] Joe K Fobes: and what is that truth you see now
[5:05:50 PM] Jake: I am not always going to be right, but that is okay because I enjoy learning new things. These new things can help others.
[5:06:08 PM] Joe K Fobes: keep going
[5:06:14 PM] Jake: As I learn, I will do, and as I do I will teach, and as I teach I will learn.
[5:06:20 PM] Joe K Fobes: good
[5:06:24 PM] Joe K Fobes: and now
[5:06:28 PM] Joe K Fobes: look in your life
[5:06:32 PM] Joe K Fobes: and find 2 other examples
[5:06:35 PM] Joe K Fobes: of where this is true
[5:06:41 PM] Joe K Fobes: where you can be comfortable
[5:06:46 PM] Joe K Fobes: being wrong
[5:06:56 PM] Joe K Fobes: being independent
[5:07:09 PM] Joe K Fobes: no fear
[5:07:15 PM] Joe K Fobes: and being ok with fear 🙂
[5:07:48 PM] Jake: Mmm.
[5:07:59 PM] Jake: It’s warm.
[5:08:22 PM] Joe K Fobes: and have you found those 2 other clear examples
[5:08:31 PM] Jake: Yes.
[5:08:54 PM] Joe K Fobes: perfect
[5:08:58 PM] Joe K Fobes: and notice
[5:09:02 PM] Joe K Fobes: how they are different
[5:09:07 PM] Joe K Fobes: with these new knowing
[5:09:11 PM] Joe K Fobes: these new truths
[5:09:16 PM] Joe K Fobes: that are true for you
[5:09:18 PM] Joe K Fobes: and let that
[5:09:28 PM] Joe K Fobes: those changes filter into every single aspect in your life
[5:09:34 PM] Joe K Fobes: and when its done
[5:09:42 PM] Joe K Fobes: and the constant state of learning is deeply installed
[5:09:45 PM] Joe K Fobes: that curiosity
[5:09:47 PM] Joe K Fobes: wonder
[5:09:50 PM] Joe K Fobes: love and peace
[5:09:56 PM] Joe K Fobes: simply type DONE
[5:10:11 PM] Jake: DONE
[5:10:15 PM] Joe K Fobes: perfect
[5:10:17 PM] Joe K Fobes: 🙂
[5:10:21 PM] Joe K Fobes: and there you have it
[5:10:30 PM] Joe K Fobes: life transformation
[5:10:52 PM] Joe K Fobes: arm lev
[5:10:56 PM] Jake: It is amazing.
[5:10:59 PM] craig galvin: lol
[5:11:00 PM] Joe K Fobes: indeed it is
[5:11:05 PM] craig galvin: rule 1 jake
[5:11:05 PM] Joe K Fobes: the arm lev was fun
[5:11:13 PM] craig galvin: never tell me or joe u cant be hypnotised online lol
[5:11:16 PM] Joe K Fobes: the covert part
[5:11:27 PM] Joe K Fobes: did you realize Jake, what I was doing before it lifted?
[5:11:39 PM] Joe K Fobes: or did it lift before you knew why?
[5:12:09 PM] Jake: I knew that I felt light inside.
[5:12:11 PM] craig galvin: very ericksonian in its thinking there joe
[5:12:20 PM] Jake: Then my whole body was being light.
[5:12:57 PM] Jake: So it was just like… “I’m floating up and feeling good about it, okay?”
[5:13:01 PM] craig galvin: Jake, keep a copy of this conversation,
[5:13:04 PM] craig galvin: read it
[5:13:10 PM] craig galvin: study it, see what we did there,
[5:13:23 PM] Jake: And I just thought, “Okay, I like it.”
[5:13:23 PM] craig galvin: even if Joe did hijack the trance lol
[5:13:33 PM] Jake: ^^
[5:13:55 PM] craig galvin: Joe saw the opening and went for it lol
[5:14:12 PM] Jake: I am most glad that he did.
[5:14:44 PM] Joe K Fobes: lol
[5:14:50 PM] Joe K Fobes: there were specific suggestions
[5:14:57 PM] Joe K Fobes: for the arm to lift to your nose
[5:15:06 PM] Joe K Fobes: your right arm specifically 🙂
[5:15:20 PM] Jake: My right arm?!
[5:15:26 PM] Jake: That is the one that rose first!
[5:15:27 PM] craig galvin: just a bit, i was laughing as u typed it
[5:15:29 PM] Joe K Fobes: yeps
[5:16:04 PM] Jake: Was the word “Arming yourself” what did it?
[5:17:08 PM] Jake: “almost without realizing

just when the right

arming yourself

with the sense of lifting”
[5:17:09 PM] Joe K Fobes: as you feel lighter
[4:49:38 PM] Joe K Fobes: lighter
arm here—–>[4:49:41 PM] Joe K Fobes: arming yourself
[4:49:45 PM] Joe K Fobes: with power
arm again—->[4:49:50 PM] Joe K Fobes: a peaceful arming
[4:49:55 PM] Joe K Fobes: of lifting power
knows=nose—–>[4:49:58 PM] Joe K Fobes: which you knows
[4:50:04 PM] Joe K Fobes: will help you lift yourself
[4:50:08 PM] Joe K Fobes: almost without realizing
right—–>[4:50:14 PM] Joe K Fobes: just when the right
arm—->[4:50:22 PM] Joe K Fobes: arming yourself
[4:50:30 PM] Joe K Fobes: with the sense of lifting
[4:50:34 PM] Joe K Fobes: inside and out
[4:50:38 PM] Joe K Fobes: upwards
[4:50:42 PM] Joe K Fobes: and upwards
[4:50:47 PM] Joe K Fobes: waaay up in the air
[4:50:54 PM] Joe K Fobes: rising and lifting
[4:50:56 PM] Joe K Fobes: to that place
nose—->[4:51:01 PM] Joe K Fobes: where peace knows
[4:51:07 PM] Joe K Fobes: almost like a magnet
[4:51:11 PM] Joe K Fobes: tugging and pulling
right—->[4:51:16 PM] Joe K Fobes: right upwards
[4:51:17 PM] Joe K Fobes: now
[4:51:22 PM] Joe K Fobes: and allow your unconscious
[4:51:27 PM] Joe K Fobes: to process what it needs to process
[4:51:30 PM] Joe K Fobes: and do what it needs to do
[4:51:38 PM] Joe K Fobes: and when you notice whats happening
[4:51:41 PM] Joe K Fobes: simply watch
[4:51:44 PM] Joe K Fobes: in amazement
[4:51:47 PM] Joe K Fobes: as that happens now
[4:51:51 PM] Joe K Fobes: and feel wonderful
[4:51:58 PM] Joe K Fobes: until it has learned its lesson to you
[4:52:02 PM] Joe K Fobes: and you drop down inside
[4:52:07 PM] Joe K Fobes: to that place of peace
[5:17:31 PM] Joe K Fobes: 🙂
[5:17:37 PM] craig galvin: right arming, right upwards, magnet, etc
[5:17:41 PM] Jake: That is incredible!
[5:17:42 PM] craig galvin: all combined very nicely
[5:17:57 PM] craig galvin: read it carefully, its all layered lol
[5:18:03 PM] Jake: I had only thought of the concepts of magnet, floating.
[5:18:14 PM] Jake: But not the “Right” and “arming” things.
[5:18:19 PM] Jake: That is amazing.
[5:18:21 PM] Joe K Fobes: magnet was way later 🙂
[5:18:28 PM] Joe K Fobes: thats your unconscious mind
[5:18:33 PM] Joe K Fobes: it KNEW
[5:18:33 PM] Jake: Wonderful.
[5:18:41 PM] Jake: I did know.
[5:18:42 PM] Joe K Fobes: exactly what the right thing was to do
[5:18:46 PM] Joe K Fobes: it knows
[5:18:55 PM] Joe K Fobes: it really knows
[5:19:02 PM] Jake: It was rising on its own!
[5:19:06 PM] Joe K Fobes: mhmm
[5:19:12 PM] Jake: No one was helping, not you, not me.
[5:19:14 PM] Jake: It was.
[5:19:18 PM] Joe K Fobes: without you ever consciously knowing what was going on
[5:19:25 PM] craig galvin: lol
[5:19:27 PM] craig galvin: hey joe
[5:19:29 PM] craig galvin: I think we got him
[5:19:31 PM] craig galvin: lol
[5:19:33 PM] Joe K Fobes: lol
[5:20:25 PM] craig galvin: this is why i love this occupation / hobby always learning, always enjoying and seeing things like this, is a really beautiful thing
[5:21:12 PM] Joe K Fobes: indeed
[5:21:24 PM] Joe K Fobes: in the hands of a master
[5:21:26 PM] Jake: Absolutely amazing.
[5:21:26 PM] Joe K Fobes: its art
[5:21:45 PM] Jake: Man, I’m showing this conversation to my whole family.
[5:21:49 PM] Joe K Fobes: 🙂
[5:21:50 PM] Jake: And to my friends.
[5:21:56 PM] Joe K Fobes: send them all on the upcoming course
[5:22:05 PM] Joe K Fobes: learn to do this stuff 🙂
[5:22:18 PM] Jake: I am amazed.
[5:22:23 PM] Jake: I am enlightened.
[5:22:27 PM] Joe K Fobes: 🙂
[5:22:31 PM] craig galvin: good good, we aim to please
[5:22:36 PM] Joe K Fobes: I think he’s had the wtf moment 🙂
[5:22:38 PM] craig galvin: joe is a true master
[5:22:41 PM] Jake: There is no words to describe this wonderful things.
[5:22:44 PM] craig galvin: erm i think so mate
[5:22:55 PM] craig galvin: i dont think his life will ever be the same lol
[5:23:05 PM] craig galvin: and the best part, is it will continue to grow lol

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Text Therapy

Here is a small and quick piece of changework that I did with a young hypnotist who had worked with a friend and made some mistakes. He was in a pretty bad state, and I helped him move through it and learn something as well.

Now this obviously was rather easy as it was only a simple state change, and you can take the ideas used and apply them to more complex cases.

None of this was planned, it was all ‘in the moment’. If you want to learn hypnosis and therapy and train your mind to be able to create powerful therapeutic approaches ‘in the moment’ you can go sign up for the online supervision group.

Enjoy!

[2:46:58 PM] Joe K Fobes: I talk to the SC all the time…
[2:47:04 PM] Joe K Fobes: its called ideomotor signaling
[2:47:38 PM] Joe K Fobes: have you ever had a finger twich by itself?
[2:47:49 PM] Steven: Hmm not really
[2:48:00 PM] Steven: I’ve had my eyelids twitching by themselves tho
[2:48:10 PM] Joe K Fobes: so every part of your body is always perfectly still?
[2:48:14 PM] Joe K Fobes: do this
[2:48:23 PM] Joe K Fobes: put your wrist on the table
[2:48:26 PM] Joe K Fobes: and float your fingers
[2:48:27 PM] Steven: k
[2:48:30 PM] Joe K Fobes: float
[2:48:40 PM] Joe K Fobes: now watch those fingers
[2:48:54 PM] Joe K Fobes: and twitch one of them
[2:48:58 PM] Joe K Fobes: a few times
[2:49:03 PM] Joe K Fobes: and then stop twitching it
[2:49:05 PM] Joe K Fobes: and watch it
[2:49:14 PM] Joe K Fobes: and let me know when it does a little twitch by itself
[2:49:27 PM] Steven: ohh
[2:49:30 PM] Joe K Fobes: yeps
[2:49:31 PM] Steven: woah
[2:49:33 PM] Steven: why?
[2:49:36 PM] Joe K Fobes: so thats the yes finger
[2:49:38 PM] Steven: that’s so strange?
[2:49:46 PM] Joe K Fobes: now, go and make a no finger
[2:49:49 PM] Joe K Fobes: so twitch the no finger
[2:49:55 PM] Joe K Fobes: a few times
[2:49:55 PM] Steven: can it be on the other hand?
[2:50:00 PM] Joe K Fobes: and then let it do it itself
[2:50:07 PM] Joe K Fobes: well I want you to be able to type
[2:50:10 PM] Steven: kk
[2:50:11 PM] Joe K Fobes: so pick a hand
[2:50:14 PM] Joe K Fobes: do the yes finger
[2:50:17 PM] Joe K Fobes: and then the no one
[2:50:22 PM] Joe K Fobes: and tell when you have that
[2:51:19 PM] Steven: hmm the other finger is not reacting
[2:51:22 PM] Joe K Fobes: ok
[2:51:28 PM] Steven: only the yes finger seems to be twitching when I concentrate on it
[2:51:29 PM] Joe K Fobes: so look at the yes finger
[2:51:38 PM] Joe K Fobes: and Im going to ask your SC something
[2:51:43 PM] Joe K Fobes: and that finger will respond
[2:51:46 PM] Joe K Fobes: is that ok with you?
[2:51:50 PM] Steven: yes
[2:51:54 PM] Joe K Fobes: good
[2:52:11 PM] Joe K Fobes: so SC of Steven, does Steven have parents?
[2:52:16 PM] Joe K Fobes: and watch the finger respond
[2:52:25 PM] Joe K Fobes: and tell me its response
[2:52:33 PM] Steven: yes finger moved
[2:52:38 PM] Joe K Fobes: good
[2:52:58 PM] Joe K Fobes: and SC mind, does Steven have siblings?
[2:53:17 PM] Joe K Fobes: and once again tell me its response
[2:53:21 PM] Steven: yes finger moved
[2:53:23 PM] Joe K Fobes: good
[2:53:28 PM] Joe K Fobes: no we will install the no finger
[2:53:29 PM] Joe K Fobes: ready?
[2:53:32 PM] Steven: ok
[2:53:42 PM] Joe K Fobes: watch the hand in response to this question
[2:53:56 PM] Joe K Fobes: and notice which other finger goes
[2:54:00 PM] Steven: ok
[2:54:22 PM] Joe K Fobes: SC mind, has Steven ever raped a woman?
[2:54:54 PM] Steven: hmm
[2:55:02 PM] Joe K Fobes: what do you get
[2:55:03 PM] Steven: my hand has no response
[2:55:05 PM] Joe K Fobes: ok
[2:55:07 PM] Steven: but I can feel a tingle
[2:55:09 PM] Steven: in my pinky
[2:55:11 PM] Joe K Fobes: watch it and I’ll ask again
[2:55:15 PM] Joe K Fobes: and this time it will answer
[2:55:18 PM] Joe K Fobes: fully
[2:55:19 PM] Steven: ok
[2:55:29 PM] Joe K Fobes: SC mind, has Steven ever killed a human being?
[2:56:23 PM] Steven: hmm
[2:56:30 PM] Steven: my index finger is my yes finger
[2:56:33 PM] Joe K Fobes: yes
[2:56:38 PM] Steven: and I can see my pinky and ring finger shaking
[2:56:42 PM] Joe K Fobes: perfect
[2:56:45 PM] Steven: but not as big of a twitch as the yes finger
[2:56:49 PM] Joe K Fobes: so now onto the good stuff
[2:56:56 PM] Joe K Fobes: it gets stronger as we move on
[2:56:59 PM] Steven: ok
[2:57:16 PM] Joe K Fobes: so SC mind, your job is to give Steven the best life possible, is that true?
[2:57:43 PM] Steven: yes
[2:59:05 PM] Joe K Fobes: and SC mind he had an event with this girl which you feel is important, yes?
[3:00:12 PM] Steven: yes but its a smaller twitch
[3:00:24 PM] Joe K Fobes: perfect
[3:00:50 PM] Joe K Fobes: and SC mind, you have the ability to create any though or emotion, or memory or imagination in his mind, isn’t that so?
[3:01:23 PM] Steven: overwhelming yes
[3:01:25 PM] Steven: omg
[3:01:37 PM] Joe K Fobes: yeps
[3:01:40 PM] Steven: i felt a pulse from my head move down to the yes finger
[3:02:44 PM] Joe K Fobes: and so SC mind, would it be ok for you to have him experience being a brilliant and experienced hypnosis expert (pick your favorite) and as he experiences that, have him get a really clear perspective on what happened?
[3:03:52 PM] Steven: hmmm..
[3:04:04 PM] Steven: it stays relatively still
[3:04:16 PM] Steven: but whenever I dont focus on my hand
[3:04:17 PM] Joe K Fobes: thats fine
[3:04:32 PM] Steven: it like my pinky is tugging slightly
[3:04:38 PM] Joe K Fobes: thats fine
[3:04:48 PM] Joe K Fobes: SC mind, youre here to help Steven, yes?
[3:05:01 PM] Steven: yes
[3:05:10 PM] Joe K Fobes: and you can create anything in his mind, yes?
[3:05:20 PM] Steven: yes
[3:05:48 PM] Joe K Fobes: does it make sense to you, that perhaps experiencing this from the perspective of an experienced hypnotist, that he will learn important new things?
[3:06:24 PM] Steven: yes
[3:06:38 PM] Steven: but my pinky felt weird
[3:07:00 PM] Joe K Fobes: and so since you can create anything in his mind, and youre here to help him, and it does make sense on some level, would it be ok for you to create that experience for him?
[3:07:19 PM] Steven: yes
[3:07:39 PM] Joe K Fobes: ok
[3:08:30 PM] Joe K Fobes: so SC mind, please go ahead and do that now. Close his eyes, and have him experience that, and when he has learned what he needs to learn, open his eyes and have him report back. You can take as long as full minute or even as short as 10 seconds to do that now.
[3:10:00 PM] Steven: wow
[3:10:12 PM] Steven: that was… rather enlightening
[3:10:16 PM] Joe K Fobes: indeed
[3:10:23 PM] Steven: I’m usually on the other end of the hypnosis
[3:10:26 PM] Joe K Fobes: tell me about the parts that youre aware of consciously right now?
[3:10:29 PM] Steven: so its weird experiencing it
[3:10:32 PM] Joe K Fobes: yeps
[3:10:32 PM] Steven: especially when I closed my eyes
[3:10:33 PM] Steven: and It felt like
[3:10:36 PM] Steven: I dno
[3:10:42 PM] Steven: I was looking at myself hypnotizing the girl
[3:10:46 PM] Joe K Fobes: yes
[3:10:49 PM] Steven: like it was like watchin it from up above
[3:10:51 PM] Steven: weird feeling
[3:10:53 PM] Joe K Fobes: yes
[3:11:05 PM] Joe K Fobes: and what did you notice consciously that you learned about that
[3:11:20 PM] Steven: I noticed that I shouldn’t have dealt with her family issues
[3:11:24 PM] Joe K Fobes: yes
[3:11:33 PM] Steven: she said that she was whispering because her father was yelling at her
[3:11:37 PM] Steven: and I only focused on her
[3:11:37 PM] Joe K Fobes: mhmm
[3:11:43 PM] Steven: the fact that it had to do with her father
[3:11:51 PM] Steven: went completely through me
[3:11:54 PM] Steven: during the hypnosis
[3:11:54 PM] Joe K Fobes: yeps
[3:12:01 PM] Joe K Fobes: quite a powerful insight
[3:12:05 PM] Joe K Fobes: what else did you learn
[3:12:07 PM] Steven: as part of metaphorically frame the issue
[3:12:17 PM] Steven: I made her visualize the trauma she was experiencing
[3:12:25 PM] Steven: in terms of images that couldnt touch her
[3:12:31 PM] Joe K Fobes: yes
[3:12:34 PM] Steven: kind of like ghosts
[3:12:51 PM] Steven: that was … sorry for my language, but fucking stupid
[3:13:00 PM] Joe K Fobes: lol
[3:13:11 PM] Steven: it was so obvious that she was dealing with her trauma in a suppressive way
[3:13:15 PM] Steven: it was obvious it happened the day before
[3:13:28 PM] Joe K Fobes: good
[3:13:32 PM] Joe K Fobes: so now do this
[3:13:35 PM] Steven: yet I still forced her to imagine it
[3:13:41 PM] Joe K Fobes: float right above that Steven
[3:13:46 PM] Joe K Fobes: doing those things
[3:13:55 PM] Joe K Fobes: and realize how being the person he is
[3:14:03 PM] Joe K Fobes: he isnt quite aware
[3:14:12 PM] Joe K Fobes: that he needs to be aware of this stuff
[3:14:21 PM] Joe K Fobes: are you noticing that?
[3:14:40 PM] Steven: I felt my vision blur for a moment just now
[3:14:43 PM] Joe K Fobes: yes
[3:14:44 PM] Steven: and my head is a bit heavy
[3:14:47 PM] Joe K Fobes: yes
[3:15:06 PM] Joe K Fobes: and as you notice that younger you, doing what he’s doing
[3:15:10 PM] Joe K Fobes: based on what he knows
[3:15:16 PM] Joe K Fobes: and who he is
[3:15:24 PM] Joe K Fobes: making decisions that to him seem to be wise
[3:15:34 PM] Joe K Fobes: you learn what you need to learn from that
[3:15:43 PM] Joe K Fobes: in a healthy and integrated fashion
[3:15:48 PM] Joe K Fobes: and as you learn that
[3:15:51 PM] Joe K Fobes: the emotion fades
[3:15:54 PM] Joe K Fobes: fades away
[3:16:03 PM] Joe K Fobes: as you have learned what you need to learn
[3:16:07 PM] Joe K Fobes: its a part of you now
[3:16:13 PM] Joe K Fobes: and your SC can now release that emotion
[3:16:21 PM] Joe K Fobes: and when its done doing that
[3:16:30 PM] Joe K Fobes: you can come fully back to the present fully awake
[3:16:47 PM] Joe K Fobes: feeling that relief wash through your mind and body now
[3:16:55 PM] Joe K Fobes: releasing that emotion
[3:17:05 PM] Joe K Fobes: and becoming fully free
[3:17:14 PM] Steven: phew im back
[3:17:23 PM] Steven: wow
[3:17:25 PM] Joe K Fobes: welcome back
[3:17:31 PM] Joe K Fobes: you feel good, dont you
[3:17:31 PM] Steven: my mind feels … like clear
[3:17:34 PM] Joe K Fobes: yes
[3:17:34 PM] Steven: yah
[3:17:36 PM] Steven: like awake
[3:17:42 PM] Steven: I dno, I remember what happened during the trance
[3:17:44 PM] Joe K Fobes: it was good that you experienced that
[3:17:48 PM] Steven: but like
[3:17:48 PM] Joe K Fobes: learned your lesson
[3:17:58 PM] Joe K Fobes: and are now free to move on
[3:17:59 PM] Steven: it felt like .. ages
[3:18:02 PM] Joe K Fobes: yeps
[3:18:07 PM] Joe K Fobes: time distortion is one of the things
[3:18:26 PM] Steven: wow
[3:18:28 PM] Steven: thanks a lot Joe

If you want to get a taste of how to easily do work like that, go sign up for the online supervision group now!

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Conscious and Subconscious Mind

A few quick thoughts on the ‘conscious’ and ‘subconscious’ mind.

Our brain is a neural network. The patterns it runs are very different than binary symbolic logic patterns. Thats why we can do face recognition so easily, but we aren’t that good at math.

At the same time we use use language, symbols, and numbers. We do use symbolic logic. This obviously runs on the NN hardware, but it follows the rules of deductive binary symbolic logic just the same. (you could say this is our internal dialog, but I’m not 100% certain).

And so we have 2 ‘modes’ of processing.
1. Pure pattern matching (neural network), evolutionary style thinking, not predictable, open ended, intuitive, non logical, parallel processing, and so on.
2. Deductive symbolic logic. Step by step, exact, predictive, and so on.

Now Erickson decided to call them ‘conscious’ and ‘subconscious’. To me, consciousness is awareness and that can be awareness of either ‘mode’, but those names have stuck.

And so I think yes, there is a hard split between 2 ‘minds’, but it’s really just 2 styles of processing.

One of the ways of getting hypnotic responsiveness is to slow down or eliminate the symbolic processing logic type of operation (the internal dialog perhaps). In my opinion this is what Elman meant when he spoke of bypassing the CF. It’s what creates the trancified look of fascination that we often see in awesome subjects. Without internal dialog, thats how you look 🙂

What do you think?

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Blindingly Fast Text Hypnosis

This is a text trance from a while back…

William and I had never met or spoken, but he did know that I was a hypnotist. He also had never before been hypnotized.

I would say it’s most probably the quickest tested hypnosis ever done via text (with no previous installed PHS).

It took 1 minute 20 seconds from the open until we got an IMR, and another 4 minutes 40 seconds until I got confirmation for a negative visual hallucination.

Study it and then go do it yourself!

Joe

[4/21/2009 3:11:34 PM] Joe says: try this, put your fingers
[4/21/2009 3:11:37 PM] Joe says: on two keys
[4/21/2009 3:11:43 PM] Joe says: one for yes
[4/21/2009 3:11:45 PM] Joe says: and one for no
[4/21/2009 3:11:49 PM] Joe says: got that now?
[4/21/2009 3:11:52 PM] William says: yes
[4/21/2009 3:12:00 PM] Joe says: so give me the signal for yes
[4/21/2009 3:12:02 PM] William says: y
[4/21/2009 3:12:07 PM] Joe says: good
[4/21/2009 3:12:12 PM] Joe says: and the signal for no
[4/21/2009 3:12:13 PM] William says: n
[4/21/2009 3:12:17 PM] Joe says: great
[4/21/2009 3:12:19 PM] Joe says: so now
[4/21/2009 3:12:26 PM] Joe says: I’m going to ask your unconscious
[4/21/2009 3:12:33 PM] Joe says: to automatically move that yes finger
[4/21/2009 3:12:37 PM] Joe says: and signal yes
[4/21/2009 3:12:42 PM] William says: y
[4/21/2009 3:12:43 PM] Joe says: don’t do it consciously
[4/21/2009 3:12:50 PM] Joe says: was that unconscious?
[4/21/2009 3:12:54 PM] William says: y
[4/21/2009 3:12:59 PM] Joe says: perfect
[4/21/2009 3:13:03 PM] Joe says: and you are in trance now
[4/21/2009 3:13:23 PM] Joe says: and unconscious, can you make him feel a nice warm feeling in his chest now?
[4/21/2009 3:13:28 PM] William says: y
[4/21/2009 3:13:42 PM] Joe says: and please do that now and signal when yes when its done
[4/21/2009 3:13:51 PM] William says: y
[4/21/2009 3:13:55 PM] Joe says: perfect
[4/21/2009 3:14:07 PM] Joe says: and can you have his conscious mind tune out here?
[4/21/2009 3:14:11 PM] William says: y
[4/21/2009 3:14:15 PM] Joe says: so we can communicate for his own good now?
[4/21/2009 3:14:20 PM] Joe says: and please do that now
[4/21/2009 3:14:22 PM] William says: y
[4/21/2009 3:14:25 PM] Joe says: and signal when done
[4/21/2009 3:14:29 PM] William says: y
[4/21/2009 3:14:32 PM] Joe says: great
[4/21/2009 3:14:50 PM] Joe says: and can you make it that anything in the (_) is only for you and is unimportant to his conscious mind?
[4/21/2009 3:14:56 PM] William says: y
[4/21/2009 3:15:18 PM] Joe says: and can you make it so unimportant to his conscious so that he doesn’t notice it at all consciously?
[4/21/2009 3:15:27 PM] William says: y
[4/21/2009 3:15:43 PM] Joe says: and he skips over it consciously easily and quickly and it feels so natural and easy
[4/21/2009 3:15:47 PM] Joe says: and it feels good
[4/21/2009 3:15:51 PM] William says: y
[4/21/2009 3:15:53 PM] Joe says: and if he doesn’t notice that
[4/21/2009 3:16:03 PM] Joe says: and please do that now and signal when done
[4/21/2009 3:16:10 PM] William says: y
[4/21/2009 3:16:14 PM] Joe says: thank you
[4/21/2009 3:16:46 PM] Joe says: and please wake him now feeling amazingly great with that effect in full force having him not notice
[4/21/2009 3:16:59 PM] Joe says: how was that William?
[4/21/2009 3:17:06 PM] William says: nice
[4/21/2009 3:17:09 PM] Joe says: nice
[4/21/2009 3:17:11 PM] William says: but what happened really?
[4/21/2009 3:17:16 PM] Joe says: 3 (4) 7 2 9
[4/21/2009 3:17:21 PM] Joe says: what numbers do you see?
[4/21/2009 3:17:22 PM] William says: 3629
[4/21/2009 3:17:32 PM] William says: i mean 3729
[4/21/2009 3:17:35 PM] Joe says: yes
[4/21/2009 3:18:08 PM] Joe says: (please make his name be lost to him for the next minute for his own good, and make him feel amazed by that now) it was trance
[4/21/2009 3:18:12 PM] Joe says: what is your name
[4/21/2009 3:18:19 PM] William says: William
[4/21/2009 3:18:21 PM] Joe says: yes
[4/21/2009 3:18:23 PM] Joe says: very good
[4/21/2009 3:18:53 PM] Joe says: (please stick his leg to the floor for his own enjoyment now and make him enjoy that now) perfect
[4/21/2009 3:18:57 PM] Joe says: and please try
[4/21/2009 3:19:02 PM] Joe says: to lift that eg
[4/21/2009 3:19:05 PM] Joe says: leg
[4/21/2009 3:19:11 PM] Joe says: how does that feel now?
[4/21/2009 3:19:23 PM] William says: i cant move my leg?
[4/21/2009 3:19:25 PM] Joe says: yes
[4/21/2009 3:19:30 PM] Joe says: are you in trance?
[4/21/2009 3:19:37 PM] William says: i dont know
[4/21/2009 3:19:41 PM] Joe says: hmmm
[4/21/2009 3:19:50 PM] Joe says: are you usually able to move that leg?
[4/21/2009 3:20:08 PM] William says: yes, but now it just stuck
[4/21/2009 3:20:18 PM] Joe says: (please make him forget his name for a minute now so he can fully enjoy the power of his mind) and how is that?
[4/21/2009 3:20:22 PM] Joe says: how is that?
[4/21/2009 3:20:28 PM] William says: strange
[4/21/2009 3:20:31 PM] Joe says: lets try your name again
[4/21/2009 3:20:34 PM] Joe says: what is it?
[4/21/2009 3:20:38 PM] William says: aa
[4/21/2009 3:20:39 PM] William says: wait
[4/21/2009 3:20:42 PM] Joe says: wait!
[4/21/2009 3:20:45 PM] Joe says: its gone!
[4/21/2009 3:20:49 PM] William says: no its not
[4/21/2009 3:20:52 PM] Joe says: lol
[4/21/2009 3:20:54 PM] William says: it just takes some time
[4/21/2009 3:20:56 PM] Joe says: what is it?
[4/21/2009 3:21:01 PM] William says: ahh
[4/21/2009 3:21:12 PM] Joe says: have you ever needed time to remember your name?
[4/21/2009 3:21:16 PM] William says: no
[4/21/2009 3:21:21 PM] Joe says: so are you in trance?
[4/21/2009 3:21:24 PM] William says: yes
[4/21/2009 3:21:28 PM] Joe says: wonderful
[4/21/2009 3:21:39 PM] Joe says: feels nice?
[4/21/2009 3:21:44 PM] William says: yes
[4/21/2009 3:21:51 PM] Joe says: (make him feel really really amazing now!) great
[4/21/2009 3:21:53 PM] Joe says: ahhh
[4/21/2009 3:21:56 PM] Joe says: that feels good!
[4/21/2009 3:22:05 PM] Joe says: you like that?
[4/21/2009 3:22:08 PM] William says: yes
[4/21/2009 3:22:10 PM] Joe says: great
[4/21/2009 3:22:20 PM] Joe says: so what would you like from trance?
[4/21/2009 3:23:08 PM] Joe says: (please make him feel a great want to go make a post on uncommon forum about being in trance as soon as we are done here for his own good) what would you like to experience?
[4/21/2009 3:23:11 PM] Joe says: what things
[4/21/2009 3:23:20 PM] William says: i dont know
[4/21/2009 3:23:31 PM] Joe says: (give him some ideas now please) Hmmm
[4/21/2009 3:23:34 PM] Joe says: any ideas?
[4/21/2009 3:23:39 PM] William says: maybe stuck in place?
[4/21/2009 3:23:43 PM] Joe says: okie
[4/21/2009 3:23:50 PM] Joe says: so are you stuck in place now?
[4/21/2009 3:23:57 PM] William says: not
[4/21/2009 3:24:33 PM] Joe says: (please make him stuck in place now with only his arms free) how about now?
[4/21/2009 3:24:38 PM] Joe says: stuck now?
[4/21/2009 3:24:44 PM] William says: yes
[4/21/2009 3:24:54 PM] Joe says: how cool is that?
[4/21/2009 3:24:59 PM] William says: weird
[4/21/2009 3:25:02 PM] Joe says: yes
[4/21/2009 3:25:21 PM] Joe says: 1 (3) 8 3 0 type the numbers you see please now
[4/21/2009 3:25:26 PM] William says: 1830
[4/21/2009 3:25:53 PM] Joe says: (please make him be able to see the 3 from the last message now) what happened?
[4/21/2009 3:26:03 PM] Joe says: you didn’t see the (_)!
[4/21/2009 3:26:12 PM] William says: wow i just noticed that now
[4/21/2009 3:26:14 PM] Joe says: lol
[4/21/2009 3:26:16 PM] Joe says: yes
[4/21/2009 3:26:31 PM] Joe says: (please remove all the effects now except for the (_) effect)
[4/21/2009 3:26:33 PM] Joe says: yes
[4/21/2009 3:26:35 PM] Joe says: very cool
[4/21/2009 3:26:40 PM] Joe says: your unstuck now
[4/21/2009 3:26:44 PM] Joe says: and the name is back
[4/21/2009 3:26:48 PM] William says: yes i feel my legs again
[4/21/2009 3:26:50 PM] Joe says: yes
[4/21/2009 3:26:53 PM] Joe says: okie
[4/21/2009 3:26:57 PM] Joe says: i gotta run
[4/21/2009 3:27:12 PM] Joe says: go make that post on the forum
[4/21/2009 3:27:16 PM] Joe says: 🙂
[4/21/2009 3:27:21 PM] William says: yes i was on it
[4/21/2009 3:27:24 PM] Joe says: okie
[4/21/2009 3:27:26 PM] William says: but how u know that?
[4/21/2009 3:27:28 PM] Joe says: see you later
[4/21/2009 3:27:29 PM] William says: :O
[4/21/2009 3:27:37 PM] Joe says: I told you to do it lol

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Making your suggestions work

So you’re getting some simple trance effects like arm levitation and catalepsy. You’re even getting partial amnesia. But it seems like some suggestions just wont stick! What do you do now?

Well, it seems you’ve discovered a very very important thing. And that is that even after they are hypnotized, unless they are in somnambulism, you still have to give suggestions properly. Thats because they don’t fully understand what you want. However when they are in somnambulism they become very literal minded and so they take what you say at face value without needing to understand what you want.

Here are 3 key things you can do before they are in somnambulism so that they understand what you mean on all levels and your suggestions work even better.

1. Visualize the effect working and then describe what you see to them. This is crucial. If you want an arm stuck using glue, visualize and imagine completely that your arm is stuck with actual glue, and describe how that looks and feels to them. Describe how it feels to try to lift it. Describe it in the here and now. This is the most important thing in hypnosis.

2. Fit the suggestion into their world. If you have someone who has experienced real glue, the suggestion will work much better. If you get a stuck arm, then suggesting a stuck name will work much better. See where you can use what preexists to slot your suggestion in as a seamless extension of that. Use everything. Their past experiences in life, their experiences with what has worked. Don’t suggest new things, simply extend what already exists. Put some thought into that and how you can make that work. Leverage everything.

3. Say these magical words after you give a suggestion “if you understand that nod your head”. It really does work wonders.

Do these three simple things and you will find that your success with suggestions increases exponentially.

Happy trancing!

Joe

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Expectancy

Here are a few questions a fellow named Swoop posted on a a forum, and here are my responses and ideas.

1. Do you believe that expectancy is important when hypnotising?

Yes.

2. If so, what active measures do you take to increase your subjects expectancy?

I tell them whats going to happen.
I tell them about the thousands I’ve tranced.
I zap someone in front of them.
I tell them that someone with their unique qualities (it’s rather easy to find out what someone thinks is special about them rather quickly, just ask “so what are you especially good at?”) is especially good for trance.
I explain trance in a way that makes sense to them and fits with their experience. I use examples from their own life (driving on the highway, daydreaming, not seeing the milk in the fridge…).
I use magnetic hands to show them that it “works”.
I tell them after they pass magnetic hands that it’s the hardest part to do and if they can do that then trance is 100 times simpler.
I believe.
I believe some more.
I add on some belief on top of that.

3. Is expectancy the main determinant of the success or failure of hypnosis? Or is the subjects innate ‘hypnotizability’ level more important? Are they both important?

One of the main main things. One might say that high hypnotizables can generate high levels of expectancy very quickly. I would rather have a 20% somnambulist with medium expectancy over an analytical with high expectancy. Once you get to super high expectancy, you already have trance.

4. If you believe that expectancy is highly important, how stable do you believe expectancy is? Does it depend more on the subjects preconceived notions and experiences with hypnosis? Or does it more depend on the skill of the hypnotist in the current hypnosis session? If a subject was to fail the current suggestion, how does this affect future expectancy?

Here is a key rule. The subjects subjective experience is king. Into this category goes past experience.
If we want to create a powerful expectancy, we must create a powerful subjective experience.
How do we do that? First of all we must believe 1000%. This creates a strong experience in our subject of knowing it will work. It’s not a rational thing, its a subjective thing. Ever heard me talk about being THE HYPNOTIST?
This is also why having the subject see you trance someone is so powerful. It’s a subjective experience for the subject, having them see with their very own eyes that it works.
The third way we do this is by doing exercises with them and then framing them properly. This is why magnetic hands done right is so very powerful.

Happy trancing!